hijabi-tøser i Danmark :-)
Posted on januar 10, 2008 af Gülay Kocbay
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@ Gülay
OK, Helen er vel nærmest en krydsning ml. “hijab sexy” og “syrian style wahhabe” (Sorry, Helen
). Men hvad med dig selv - “puppeteer hijab” eller “abou el nour?”
Jørgen
PS! Er det dig, der har tegnet dem? I så fald: Respekt!
Asalamu aleikum
hhhhhhh
ej hvor sjovt man. Det er så fedt at man kan tegne det på den måde. Jeg har snuset mig rundt på billedet. Jeg må ærligt talt sige, at jeg ligge i grænse mellem “Iraqi shi’a” og “abou el nour”. Hvad med dig søster Gulay, hvilke hajabi- tøs er du 
?
Jeg har “iraqi shi’a” hvilket også kan kaldes for “egytian” eller “somalian” style. Jeg bruger den stil, fordi jeg godt kan lide at identificere mig med min kultur, somalisk. Jeg klæder mig ‘abou el-nour’ for at være lidt trendy ;-). I øvrigt blander jeg også min fast stil med “hijab chique”.
Må ærligt talt sige, at min stil ikke er rigigt repræsenteret på billedet
Jørgen:
Jeg tror ikke helt at søster Helens still er repræsenteret på billedet? Søster Helen er slet ikke på nær med “Hijab sexy”. jeg siger det fordi jeg kender søs Helen personligt 
jeg er ikke helt sikker, men det må gå lidt i retning med “hijab chique”?
peace out
Hehehe…
Jeg har ikke kun en stil, jeg har mange og må indrømme ingen af stilene overnfra er lige mig, jeg har en blandet stil alt efter humøret
Hijabi-sexy = så hvorfor ikke droppe tørklædet.
Hvis man vælger hijabi -sexy, og brysterne og alt hænger ud, så er der for mig set ingen idé med hijaben eller at være tildækket.
Make-up bryder jeg mig heller ikke om, kun lige mascara og eyeliner . Pudder og alt det stads er heller ikke mig.. kan godt lide naturlighed, og ikke at maje ud, så man under makeuppen ligner et dødt lig
Det gør de fleste, der gemmer alt med makeup 
Sorry..
Man kan sagtens være sexet, stilet og se godt ud uden at man afsløre det hele… Og hvis jeg skulle have en stil, som hijabi-sexy style, så ville jeg have valgt tørklædet fra for det er hænger bare ikke sammen…
Nej, det er ikke mig, der har tegnet det… desværre… så god er jeg desværre ikke
Jeg har dog manipuleret lidt med teksterne
@Batuloo
hehe.. I kan jo se på mit weemee billede, det beskriver mig faktisk godt
Ja Batuloo har ret.
Hvis jeg skal vurdere Helens stil, så er det ikke hijabi-sexy, men en blandet stil, moderne, ungdommeligt, klassisk, og lidt krydret.
Man behøver jo ikke en stil, jeg synes det er sjovt, at skifte til lidt og hvert.. særligt hvis alt passer en godt
Det er morsomme tegninger og afspejler også at muslimske kvinder kan være anderledes.
/Biver
@ Batulo
Jeg synet at huske, at somaliske kvinder slet ikke gik i hijab i gamle dage, - at de i stedet brugte tørklæder, som sad langt tilbage i håret. jeg har set en del billeder fra dengang.
Så jeg checkede lige på nettet, og fandt dette fra en kvinde som har fået en Phd. i “somaliske klædedragter” -
As a result, the story of Somali dress has been one not of immutable tradition—like, say, the dress of Hasidic Jews or the American Amish—but of endless fluidity. In her research, which has taken her to the Smithsonian to pore over 19th- and 20th-century explorers’ narratives, photos, and artifacts, Akou has found that Somalis over the years have worn leather garments, cotton robes made of “Merikani cloth” imported from early America, “wrappers” modeled after the dress of Islamic pilgrims, Arab-style turbans and tunics from India, and garments made of colorful sheer fabrics from Japan and India. After World War II, men in urban areas wore business suits; in the 1960s, women donned miniskirts (a style also condemned as un-Islamic and too revealing).
Not until the late 1970s, says Akou, did some women in Somalia begin wearing hijab, the elaborate shawls or veils most often associated with Somali women today. She explains that this form of dress, which was modeled after Arab-style dress (particularly the Iranian chador), was most often adopted as a form of political and religious expression under Somalia’s increasingly repressive military dictatorship.
I det hele taget er hijab’en som vi kender den, jo en moderne opfindelse, - vistnok fra en syrisk mand som kopierede nonne-hovedbeklædninger, bemærk båndet i panden !
@ Knud Larsen
Jeg ved ikke rigtigt, hvad du mener med “i gammel dags” i denne sammenhæng, men jeg vil huske dig på, at somalierne konverterede til Islam i det 14århundrede. Derfor var det ikke muligt for alle somalier, at bliver informeret om Islam hermed tager tørklædet på, som de gjorde senere hen af fx fra 1700-tallet. Frem til i slutningen af 1900-tallet, havde somalierne en form for ‘tørklæde’, som de kaldte *garbasaar*. Den dækkede ikke særlig meget, men de tog den på, fordi de vidste i en lille smule, at tørklædet var obligatorisk i Islam. De vidste ikke helt, hvordan det rigtige tørklæde skulle se ud hermed kendte de ikke *tørklædets grundprincipper’
Du har ret i, at den ‘populær-hijab’ som somalierne klæde sig på, ikke er opfundet af somalier. De er en stil, som vi hentede fra en af de lande, som vi havde den tættest kontakt, nemlig Egypten. Stilen kom til somalier omkring 80′erne. Man var lidt skepsis over den. Man ment at den var politisk, fordi det kun var tilhænger af “De Muslimske Broderskab” der klædt sig i den ’stil’. Under Siad Barre’s regering, altså fra 1969 – 1990 var det forbudt at gå med tørklæde i Somalia, specielt var det forbudt at gå med tørklæde i skolen (ligesom det er i Tyrkiet i dag). Det skyldtes at, vores daværende regering var kommunist, og var meget imod Islam. Som årene gik, blev somalierne religiøse. Og da borgerkrigen i Somalia brød løs, begyndte somalierne for alvor at gå med den ’stil’ for alvor… og i dag er stilen blevet en del af den somaliske beklædning.
:-)Underskyld, det var ikke min hensigt at skrive ‘et fordrag :-)’, men det er man måske nogen gang nød til.
Peace out
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hhhhhhhh
seje Gulay :-). Ej! Der røg min ekstra point for gætter konkurrencen
Jeg forstillede mig at du var ‘abou elnour’ men tog fejl 
Er tilfreds alligevel, for jeg skorede en point for at gætte Helen, jubiii ‘alhamdulillah :-)!
ma’salama sista muhajabah
@ Batulo
“Frem til i slutningen af 1900-tallet, havde somalierne en form for ‘tørklæde’, som de kaldte *garbasaar*. Den dækkede ikke særlig meget, men de tog den på, fordi de vidste i en lille smule, at tørklædet var obligatorisk i Islam. De vidste ikke helt, hvordan det rigtige tørklæde skulle se ud hermed kendte de ikke *tørklædets grundprincipper’”
Det var den stil jeg tænkte på, - men der har åbenbart været mange forskellige “stile” de sidste 200 år, iflg forskeren fra USA.
Hun arbejder vist iøvrigt i Minnesota hvortil de fleste indvandrede somaliere er bosat,- der er nu over 60.000 i staten.
Iøvrigt var det jo kun bondekoner der gik med tørklæde i Egypten, indtil man begyndte at blive mere religiøse efter nederlaget til Israel i 1967, - hvor jo hele genfødslen af islam startede. Man opgav tanken om at blive moderne og at kunne følge med Vesten, og valgte så at satse på “tro” i stedet. Desværre kan man jo ikke leve af tro, og derfor går det ikke godt i de muslimske lande (sammen med den evige store forøgelse af befolkningerne - Egypten og Danmarks befolkninger var lige store i år 1800, nu er de snart 90 mio mod vores 5 mio, og vi har ca lige meget dyrkbart land, den går jo simpelthen ikke.
Nå, det var et sidespring, - dem er jeg gode til
@ Knud Larsen
Jeg synes ikke at Islam er skyld i Egyptiens eller Somalias sociale problemer, tvært imod. Og at sammenligne Vesten og Afrika på den måde er helt forkert. Problemerne som millioner af afrikaner kæmper imod idag, er i en vis grad Vestens skyld. VI kan tale om koloniseringen; der gjorde at afrika er mere end 50år bagefter Vesten fx.
At folket i Egypten fandt Islam, er kun godt, fordi det var det, der gav mange egypter optimismen tilbage.
Jeg synes ikke at det er dårligt, at Egypten er 90millioner, mens vi er 5millioner. At have en stor befolkning er kun godt. Du ved også at Danmark er i fare, eftersom de størst befolkningsgruppe aldersmæssigt er over middelalderen
peace out
*middelalderen* mener jeg med folk over 20år.
Jeg synes ikke at det er dårligt, at Egypten er 90millioner, mens vi er 5millioner. At have en stor befolkning er kun godt. Du ved også at Danmark er i fare, eftersom de størst befolkningsgruppe aldersmæssigt er over middelalderen
- det forstår jeg ikke helt…? eftersom Danmark ?
Jeg kan ikke, forstå hvordan du kan se det som et positivt tegn i egybten? - og slet ikke når du laver en perspektivering til danmarks situation i øjeblikket? Egybten er jo helt over i den anden grøft.
Hijabsexy!! Må jeg være fri!
Jeg vil hellere betegne mig som saudi style wahabi!
Hehe
@ Helen
Sjovt du siger det, Helen, for det ville jeg egentlig også. Men jeg troede, vi talte om udseendet her …
Jørgen
Jørgen
Jeg tager det som et kompliment tror jeg nok. :-/
@ Batulo
Egypterne har IKKE fået “optimismen tilbage”, tværtimod, - og de har da heller ikke noget at være optimistiske over. Tror du virkelig at det er en god ting i et lille land uden naturressourcer, at bliver så mange som hele Danmarks befolkning STØRRE hvert tredje eller fjerde år?
Den melodi med at alting skyldes kolonitiden kan man ikke blive ved med at spille til evig tid, hvad med at begynde at gøre noget selv? fx at uddanne befolkningerne.
Her er en ny artikel om emnet, fra Gulfnews:
Reasons for decline of the Muslim world
By Husain Haqqani, Special to Gulf News
Published: Jan 02, 2008, 00:00
The Muslim world seems to be in the grip of all kinds of rumours. The willingness of large numbers of Muslims to believe some outrageous assertions reflects pervasive insecurity coupled with widespread ignorance.
The contemporary Muslim fascination for conspiracy theories limits the capacity for rational discussion of international affairs. For example, a recent poll indicates that only 3 per cent of Pakistanis believe that Al Qaida was responsible for the 9/11 attacks in the US, notwithstanding Osama Bin Laden and his deputies have taken credit for the attacks on more than
one occasion.
The acceptance of rumours and the readiness to embrace the notion of a conspiracy does not apply exclusively to the realm of politics. Villagers in rural Nigeria are refusing to administer the polio vaccine to their infant children out of fear that the vaccine will make their offspring sterile.
Some religious leaders in Pakistan’s Pashtun tribal areas bordering Afghanis-tan have also voiced concerns about a “Western-Zionist conspiracy” to sterilise the next generation of Muslims as part of what they allege is an “ongoing war against Islam”.
Mobile phones and the internet, the pervasiveness of which is often cited as a measure of a society’s progress and modernity, have become a means of spreading fear in the Muslim world. Text messages, originating from the Pakistani city of Sialkot, recently warned people of a virus if people answered phone calls from certain numbers. The virus would not hurt the phone, the messages said, but would rather kill the recipient.
The panic caused by the rumours forced the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority to issue a denial. Phone companies sent out text messages urging people to be calm. A newspaper rejected the rumour but featured the headline, Killer Mobile Virus.
Text message
A text message widely circulated in an Arab country claimed that
trucks carrying a million melons had been smuggled across the country’s northern border and the melons were contaminated with the HIV virus, which causes Aids. No one paid any attention to the fact that the HIV virus cannot be transmitted by eating melons.
The Muslim world has a high rate of illiteracy but ignorance reflected by the readiness to believe unverified (and sometimes totally outrageous) claims is not just a function of illiteracy. It is a function of bigotry and fear. Literate Muslims, such as those involved in the text message rumour-mongering, are as vulnerable to ignorant behaviour as illiterate
ones.
Conspiracy theories have been popular among Muslims since the twilight
years of the Ottoman Empire as a way of explaining the powerlessness of a community that was at one time the world’s economic, scientific, political and military leader.
The erosion of the leadership position of Muslims coincided with the West’s gradual technological ascendancy.
The Persian, Mughal and Ottoman empires controlled vast lands and resources but many important scientific discoveries and inventions since the 15th century came about in Europe and not in the Muslim lands.
Ignorance is an attitude and the world’s Muslims have to analyse, debate and face it before they can deal with it.
The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India. In 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an “Academic Ranking of World Universities”, and none of the universities from Muslim-majority states was included in the top 500.
The Muslim world spends 0.2 per cent of its GDP on research and
development, while the Western nations spend around five per cent of GDP on producing knowledge.
The tendency of Muslim masses to accept rumours as fact and the
readiness to believe anything that suggests a non-Muslim conspiracy to
weaken or undermine the Muslims is the result of the overall feeling of helplessness and decline that permeates the Muslim world.
Most Muslim scholars and leaders try to explain Muslim decline through the prism of the injustices of colonialism and the subsequent ebb and flow of global distribution of power.
But Muslims are not weak only because they were colonised. They were colonised because they had become weak.
Conspiracy theories paper over the knowledge deficit and the general attitude of ignorance in the Muslim world. It is time for a discussion of the Ummah’s decline in the context of failure to produce and consume knowledge and absorb verifiable facts.
Husain Haqqani is director of Boston University’s Centre for
International Relations, and Co-Chair of the Islam and Democracy Project at Hudson Institute, Washington D.C. He is author of the book ‘Pakistan between
Mosque and Military’.
Jeg håber det engelske ikke stopper læsningen, en læsning som alle verdens muslimer burde foretage. Man bliver IKKE velstående af at læse Koranen og kunne vers udenad, og det må man så leve med. Man vælger selv at være fattig med troende, og det har man ret til, men så skal man ikke beskylde andre for at have stjålet ens velstand.
Danmark har næste dobbelt så mange Nobelpristagere som hele den muslimske verden tilsammen, - det må vel få en klokke til at ringe?
(Og den ene muslimske Nobelpristager døde fattig og udstødt i Pakistan, fordi han var Ahmadiya-muslim, han måtte end ikke møde op på et universitet i landet. Tro kan være en farlig ting, hvis den overdrives)
@ Batulo
Egypterne har IKKE fået “optimismen tilbage”, tværtimod, - og de har da heller ikke noget at være optimistiske over. Tror du virkelig at det er en god ting i et lille land uden naturressourcer, at bliver så mange som hele Danmarks befolkning STØRRE hvert tredje eller fjerde år?
Den melodi med at alting skyldes kolonitiden kan man ikke blive ved med at spille til evig tid, hvad med at begynde at gøre noget selv? fx at uddanne befolkningerne.
Her er en ny artikel om emnet, fra Gulf News:
Reasons for decline of the Muslim world
By Husain Haqqani, Special to Gulf News
Published: Jan 02, 2008, 00:00
The Muslim world seems to be in the grip of all kinds of rumours. The willingness of large numbers of Muslims to believe some outrageous assertions reflects pervasive insecurity coupled with widespread ignorance.
The contemporary Muslim fascination for conspiracy theories limits the capacity for rational discussion of international affairs. For example, a recent poll indicates that only 3 per cent of Pakistanis believe that Al Qaida was responsible for the 9/11 attacks in the US, notwithstanding Osama Bin Laden and his deputies have taken credit for the attacks on more than
one occasion.
The acceptance of rumours and the readiness to embrace the notion of a conspiracy does not apply exclusively to the realm of politics. Villagers in rural Nigeria are refusing to administer the polio vaccine to their infant children out of fear that the vaccine will make their offspring sterile.
Some religious leaders in Pakistan’s Pashtun tribal areas bordering Afghanis-tan have also voiced concerns about a “Western-Zionist conspiracy” to sterilise the next generation of Muslims as part of what they allege is an “ongoing war against Islam”.
Mobile phones and the internet, the pervasiveness of which is often cited as a measure of a society’s progress and modernity, have become a means of spreading fear in the Muslim world. Text messages, originating from the Pakistani city of Sialkot, recently warned people of a virus if people answered phone calls from certain numbers. The virus would not hurt the phone, the messages said, but would rather kill the recipient.
The panic caused by the rumours forced the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority to issue a denial. Phone companies sent out text messages urging people to be calm. A newspaper rejected the rumour but featured the headline, Killer Mobile Virus.
Text message
A text message widely circulated in an Arab country claimed that
trucks carrying a million melons had been smuggled across the country’s northern border and the melons were contaminated with the HIV virus, which causes Aids. No one paid any attention to the fact that the HIV virus cannot be transmitted by eating melons.
The Muslim world has a high rate of illiteracy but ignorance reflected by the readiness to believe unverified (and sometimes totally outrageous) claims is not just a function of illiteracy. It is a function of bigotry and fear. Literate Muslims, such as those involved in the text message rumour-mongering, are as vulnerable to ignorant behaviour as illiterate
ones.
Conspiracy theories have been popular among Muslims since the twilight
years of the Ottoman Empire as a way of explaining the powerlessness of a community that was at one time the world’s economic, scientific, political and military leader.
The erosion of the leadership position of Muslims coincided with the West’s gradual technological ascendancy.
The Persian, Mughal and Ottoman empires controlled vast lands and resources but many important scientific discoveries and inventions since the 15th century came about in Europe and not in the Muslim lands.
Ignorance is an attitude and the world’s Muslims have to analyse, debate and face it before they can deal with it.
The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India. In 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an “Academic Ranking of World Universities”, and none of the universities from Muslim-majority states was included in the top 500.
The Muslim world spends 0.2 per cent of its GDP on research and
development, while the Western nations spend around five per cent of GDP on producing knowledge.
The tendency of Muslim masses to accept rumours as fact and the
readiness to believe anything that suggests a non-Muslim conspiracy to
weaken or undermine the Muslims is the result of the overall feeling of helplessness and decline that permeates the Muslim world.
Most Muslim scholars and leaders try to explain Muslim decline through the prism of the injustices of colonialism and the subsequent ebb and flow of global distribution of power.
But Muslims are not weak only because they were colonised. They were colonised because they had become weak.
Conspiracy theories paper over the knowledge deficit and the general attitude of ignorance in the Muslim world. It is time for a discussion of the Ummah’s decline in the context of failure to produce and consume knowledge and absorb verifiable facts.
Husain Haqqani is director of Boston University’s Centre for
International Relations, and Co-Chair of the Islam and Democracy Project at Hudson Institute, Washington D.C. He is author of the book ‘Pakistan between
Mosque and Military’.
Jeg håber det engelske ikke stopper læsningen, en læsning som alle verdens muslimer burde foretage. Man bliver IKKE velstående af at læse Koranen og kunne vers udenad, og det må man så leve med. Man vælger selv at være fattig med troende, og det har man ret til, men så skal man ikke beskylde andre for at have stjålet ens velstand.
Danmark har næste dobbelt så mange Nobelpristagere som hele den muslimske verden tilsammen, - det må vel få en klokke til at ringe?
(Og den ene muslimske Nobelpristager døde fattig og udstødt i Pakistan, fordi han var Ahmadiya-muslim, han måtte end ikke møde op på et universitet i landet. Tro kan være en farlig ting, hvis den overdrives)
Så prøver jeg for tredje gang, - mærkeligt som “wordpress” virker, kommer med “done”, men intet er gjort. Håber ikke der dukker tre versioner op, - men NU sker der noget . . .
@ Batulo
Egypterne har IKKE fået “optimismen tilbage”, tværtimod, - og de har da heller ikke noget at være optimistiske over. Tror du virkelig at det er en god ting i et lille land uden naturressourcer, at bliver så mange som hele Danmarks befolkning STØRRE hvert tredje eller fjerde år?
Den melodi med at alting skyldes kolonitiden kan man ikke blive ved med at spille til evig tid, hvad med at begynde at gøre noget selv? fx at uddanne befolkningerne.
Her er en ny artikel om emnet, fra Gulfnews:
Reasons for decline of the Muslim world
By Husain Haqqani, Special to Gulf News
Published: Jan 02, 2008, 00:00
The Muslim world seems to be in the grip of all kinds of rumours. The willingness of large numbers of Muslims to believe some outrageous assertions reflects pervasive insecurity coupled with widespread ignorance.
The contemporary Muslim fascination for conspiracy theories limits the capacity for rational discussion of international affairs. For example, a recent poll indicates that only 3 per cent of Pakistanis believe that Al Qaida was responsible for the 9/11 attacks in the US, notwithstanding Osama Bin Laden and his deputies have taken credit for the attacks on more than
one occasion.
The acceptance of rumours and the readiness to embrace the notion of a conspiracy does not apply exclusively to the realm of politics. Villagers in rural Nigeria are refusing to administer the polio vaccine to their infant children out of fear that the vaccine will make their offspring sterile.
Some religious leaders in Pakistan’s Pashtun tribal areas bordering Afghanis-tan have also voiced concerns about a “Western-Zionist conspiracy” to sterilise the next generation of Muslims as part of what they allege is an “ongoing war against Islam”.
Mobile phones and the internet, the pervasiveness of which is often cited as a measure of a society’s progress and modernity, have become a means of spreading fear in the Muslim world. Text messages, originating from the Pakistani city of Sialkot, recently warned people of a virus if people answered phone calls from certain numbers. The virus would not hurt the phone, the messages said, but would rather kill the recipient.
The panic caused by the rumours forced the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority to issue a denial. Phone companies sent out text messages urging people to be calm. A newspaper rejected the rumour but featured the headline, Killer Mobile Virus.
Text message
A text message widely circulated in an Arab country claimed that
trucks carrying a million melons had been smuggled across the country’s northern border and the melons were contaminated with the HIV virus, which causes Aids. No one paid any attention to the fact that the HIV virus cannot be transmitted by eating melons.
The Muslim world has a high rate of illiteracy but ignorance reflected by the readiness to believe unverified (and sometimes totally outrageous) claims is not just a function of illiteracy. It is a function of bigotry and fear. Literate Muslims, such as those involved in the text message rumour-mongering, are as vulnerable to ignorant behaviour as illiterate
ones.
Conspiracy theories have been popular among Muslims since the twilight
years of the Ottoman Empire as a way of explaining the powerlessness of a community that was at one time the world’s economic, scientific, political and military leader.
The erosion of the leadership position of Muslims coincided with the West’s gradual technological ascendancy.
The Persian, Mughal and Ottoman empires controlled vast lands and resources but many important scientific discoveries and inventions since the 15th century came about in Europe and not in the Muslim lands.
Ignorance is an attitude and the world’s Muslims have to analyse, debate and face it before they can deal with it.
The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India. In 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an “Academic Ranking of World Universities”, and none of the universities from Muslim-majority states was included in the top 500.
The Muslim world spends 0.2 per cent of its GDP on research and
development, while the Western nations spend around five per cent of GDP on producing knowledge.
The tendency of Muslim masses to accept rumours as fact and the
readiness to believe anything that suggests a non-Muslim conspiracy to
weaken or undermine the Muslims is the result of the overall feeling of helplessness and decline that permeates the Muslim world.
Most Muslim scholars and leaders try to explain Muslim decline through the prism of the injustices of colonialism and the subsequent ebb and flow of global distribution of power.
But Muslims are not weak only because they were colonised. They were colonised because they had become weak.
Conspiracy theories paper over the knowledge deficit and the general attitude of ignorance in the Muslim world. It is time for a discussion of the Ummah’s decline in the context of failure to produce and consume knowledge and absorb verifiable facts.
Husain Haqqani is director of Boston University’s Centre for
International Relations, and Co-Chair of the Islam and Democracy Project at Hudson Institute, Washington D.C. He is author of the book ‘Pakistan between
Mosque and Military’.
Jeg håber det engelske ikke stopper læsningen, en læsning som alle verdens muslimer burde foretage. Man bliver IKKE velstående af at læse Koranen og kunne vers udenad, og det må man så leve med. Man vælger selv at være fattig med troende, og det har man ret til, men så skal man ikke beskylde andre for at have stjålet ens velstand.
Danmark har næste dobbelt så mange Nobelpristagere som hele den muslimske verden tilsammen, - det må vel få en klokke til at ringe?
(Og den ene muslimske Nobelpristager døde fattig og udstødt i Pakistan, fordi han var Ahmadiya-muslim, han måtte end ikke møde op på et universitet i landet. Tro kan være en farlig ting, hvis den overdrives)
@Knud
Jeg ved heller ikke hvad der lige sker, og jo alle dine indlægs er kommet på
Ja, lige pludselig, - jeg var lige ved at skulle lave en test, men det blev jo ikke nødvendigt
Jeg HAR før tabt lange udredninger, så nu tager jeg kopi til clipboardet og kigger flere gange før jeg regner med, at et indlæg ikke kommer.
MEN man skal åbenbart vente en halv times tid før man genudsender sine vise ord
I mellemtiden har jeg set at nogen arbejder på at sprænge Eifeltårnet i luften, - spændende
@ Knud
Man, Knud, pas på med tømmermænd, når du holder fingeren på den “Send kommentar”-knap.
(Just kidding. Det samme er også sket for mig, selv når jeg ikke havde delirium
)
MVH
Jørgen
@ Helen (nr. 16)
Ja, gør det. Det samme gør jeg og andre nemlig, når du kalder os islamofober og løgnere ovre på din blog. For du mener det vel som en kompliment, ikke?
Med venlig hilsen
Jørgen
@ Knud
Har hurtigt skimmet artiklen fra Gulf News. Powerful stuff! Læser den igen senere.
MVH
Jørgen
Jørgen
Det har jeg aldrig kaldt dig!
@ Jørgen
Har du læst denneher af professor Hoodbhoy, en af mine helte fra den muslimske verden
http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml
Har lige set et websted “freemuslims.org” med en fremragende formand, som nogle mener må være den nye Martin Luther i forhold til at fornye religionen islam.
Pointen er hele tiden at de såkaldt moderate muslimer er trængt i baggrunden og at kun de selv kan redde islam fra at falde helt i hænderne på de militante. De må på banen med at kunne “rumme” at islams historie undersøges OG med at tage afstand fra terrorisme ikke bare for sjov.
Her er EN bidragyder på siderne:
We seek to embrace moderate Muslims; to promote them, and to help them win the struggle for what kind of religious, cultural and social force Islam will be in the modern world. “Moderate,” however, cannot just be a fudge. It needs to be a real concept with a defined meaning.
What should that meaning be? Who are we trying to weed out? Well, last year, the distinguished Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes proposed a few questions — a litmus test of sorts. Useful questions, he said, might include: Do you condone or condemn those who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn the likes of al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah by name as terrorist groups? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today’s world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks? Do you accept that institutions that fund terrorism should be shut down?
To be sure, we should have no illusions about all this. We are never going to win every heart and mind. Asking these questions and questions like them, though, would provoke a very necessary conversation. It could begin to reveal who are the real moderates, and who are the pretenders. It could begin to identify who are the friends of enlightenment and tolerance, and who are the allies of brutality and inhumanity. It could begin the long road toward empowering our friends and marginalizing our enemies. Finally, it could make the War on Militant Islam a war we can win — for ourselves and for the millions of Muslims who need our help.
Det er jo rystende, hvis det ikke er en vittighed, at en som Helen Latifi synes det er en hæder at blive kaldt wahhabi, - og kan kun skyldes at hun ikke kender, eller vil kende, disse mørkemænds religiøse anskuelser.
Nu jeg er her, så er her en bid om den med at jihad mest betyder åndelige bestræbelser, - naturligvis helt hen i skoven, men noget som apologeter i begge lejere elsker at hævde.
As Abdel-Rahman, the influential scholar with a doctorate from the famed al-Azhar University in Egypt, instructed his followers: “There is no such thing as commerce, industry, and science in jihad…. If Allah says: ‘Do jihad,’ it means jihad with the sword, with the cannon, with the grenades, and with the missile. This is jihad. Jihad against God’s enemies for God’s cause and his word.”
Én procent af slagene i det første muslimske århundrede var måske ikke-jihad slag, iflg historikere.
Jeg har aldrig kunnet lide at skulle æde løgne om historien, og længe før jeg kendte ordet islam. Heller ikke kristne, som mente de havde ret til at bestemme over andres liv, fordi de havde en linje til gud, kunne jeg tage